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αρα δεν μιλαμε για Αμ.Σταφ και Πιτ...οκ.
ολοι οι οργανισμοι στον κοσμο μεταξυ αυτων ο παλαιοτερος του κοσμου The kennel Club,UK δεν τα αναγνωριζει...
τωρα αυτο με τα Pedigree με προβληματισε σοβαροτατα...τι pedigree ειναι αυτα?με τι δικαιοδοσια και τι εξουσια,εφ'οσον δεν αναγνωριζεται η ρατσα απο ολους τους παγκοσμιους και μεγαλους εθνικους οργανισμους-ομιλους?
ξαναλεω γιατι στο τελος θα παρεξηγηθω και θα μετανοιωσω που συμμετειχα στην συζητηση αυτη...δεν εχω απολυτως ΤΙΠΟΤΑ με τα Πιτ Μπουλ...απλα και μονο κυνολογικα τα εξεταζω.
ολοι οι οργανισμοι στον κοσμο μεταξυ αυτων ο παλαιοτερος του κοσμου The kennel Club,UK δεν τα αναγνωριζει...
τωρα αυτο με τα Pedigree με προβληματισε σοβαροτατα...τι pedigree ειναι αυτα?με τι δικαιοδοσια και τι εξουσια,εφ'οσον δεν αναγνωριζεται η ρατσα απο ολους τους παγκοσμιους και μεγαλους εθνικους οργανισμους-ομιλους?
ξαναλεω γιατι στο τελος θα παρεξηγηθω και θα μετανοιωσω που συμμετειχα στην συζητηση αυτη...δεν εχω απολυτως ΤΙΠΟΤΑ με τα Πιτ Μπουλ...απλα και μονο κυνολογικα τα εξεταζω.
εγω ξερεις τι βλεπω φιλε σπυρου..(και με μενα μπορεις να παρεξηγηθεις) οτι οση γνωση και εαν εχουν καποιοι και την οποια μας προσφερουν απλοχερα μεσα απο αυτο το φορουμ που ασχολειται γενικα με τον σκυλο και οχι ειδικα με το πιτμπουλ ...δεν υπαρχει περιπτωση να την αφομοιωσουμε τον αιωνα τον απαντα.ειμαστε κολημενοι με την μπαλα
και αυτος ο οσκαρ δεν μπορουσε να παιξει λιγο καλιτερα σημερα?μου χαλαει το ονομα..
και αυτος ο οσκαρ δεν μπορουσε να παιξει λιγο καλιτερα σημερα?μου χαλαει το ονομα..
Full List Of UKC Breeds
- Affenpinscher
- Afghan Hound (Revised May 1, 2008)
- Aidi (Atlas Mountain Dog)
- Airedale Terrier
- Akbash Dog
- Akita (Revised July 1, 2009)
- Alaskan Klee Kai (Revised July 1, 2009)
- Alaskan Malamute (Revised July 1, 2008)
- Alentejo Mastiff
- Alpine Drachsbracke (Revised July 1, 2009)
- American Black & Tan Coonhound (Revised March 1, 2009)
- American Bulldog (Revised October 1, 2009)
- American Eskimo (Revised September 1, 2008)
- American Foxhound (Revised January 1, 2009)
- American Hairless Terrier
- American Leopard Hound (Revised January 1, 2009)
- American Pit Bull Terrier (Revised November 1, 2008)
- American Water Spaniel
- Anatolian Shepherd
The United Kennel Club was the first registry to recognize the American Pit Bull Terrier. UKC founder C. Z. Bennett assigned UKC registration number 1 to his own APBT, Bennett’s Ring, in 1898.
θες και αλλα; εκτος αν η ukc ειναι αναξιοπιστη
α εχει και το προτυπο αν θελεις
θες και αλλα; εκτος αν η ukc ειναι αναξιοπιστη
α εχει και το προτυπο αν θελεις
Δεν καταλαβαινω γιατι νομιζετε οτι πιτμπουλ και αμερικαν σταφορντσαιρ τερριε δεν ηταν το ιδιο και το αυτο? Σε προηγουμενο μου ποστ εβαλα το προτυπο του Σταφορντσαιρ Τερριε (οπως αποκαλεσαν την νεα ρατσα) το 1936 απο τον Αμερικανικο κυνολογικο ομιλο που ηταν καθαροαιμο πιτμπουλ! Οχι τυπου, αλλα ρατσας πιτμπουλ! Ακομα και μεχρι το 1970 υπηρχαν σκυλοι που ηταν γραμμενοι και στους δυο ομιλους σαν πιτμπουλ και σαν Σταφφορντ τερριε(akc και ukc αντιστοιχα). Αν αυτο δεν λεει τιποτα τοτε παω πασο!
να σε ρωτησω κατι?γιατι ο αναγνωριζει μονο η UKC?
απορια εκφραζω...οι αλλοι επισης αξιοπιστοι ομιλοι γιατι δεν το αναγνωριζουν ως φυλη?
οι τρεις ταγοι της παγκοσμιας κυνολογιας ευτυχως ή δυστυχως και που χαιρουν της ευρυτερης εκτιμησης και αποδοχης ειναι η FCI,ο AKC και ο KC,UK.
Αυτοι οι τρεις δεν τον αναγνωριζουν και μαζι με αυτους ο KΚC και ολοι οι ομιλοι υπο την FCI.
Θα μου επιτρεψεις επειδη το θεμα αναφερεται εχει να κανει με το αν και ποσο "κλειδωνουν" τα σαγονια του Πιτ και εμεις το εχουμε παει στο αν το Πιτ ειναι δεν ειναι φυλη,ποιοι το αναγνωριζουν,διαφορες και ομοιοτητες με το Αμ.Σταφ κλπ,να μην συνεχισω τουλαχιστων σε αυτο το θεμα αυτην την συζητηση...
θα μας βαλει χερι ο admin,λειαν συντομως.
απορια εκφραζω...οι αλλοι επισης αξιοπιστοι ομιλοι γιατι δεν το αναγνωριζουν ως φυλη?
οι τρεις ταγοι της παγκοσμιας κυνολογιας ευτυχως ή δυστυχως και που χαιρουν της ευρυτερης εκτιμησης και αποδοχης ειναι η FCI,ο AKC και ο KC,UK.
Αυτοι οι τρεις δεν τον αναγνωριζουν και μαζι με αυτους ο KΚC και ολοι οι ομιλοι υπο την FCI.
Θα μου επιτρεψεις επειδη το θεμα αναφερεται εχει να κανει με το αν και ποσο "κλειδωνουν" τα σαγονια του Πιτ και εμεις το εχουμε παει στο αν το Πιτ ειναι δεν ειναι φυλη,ποιοι το αναγνωριζουν,διαφορες και ομοιοτητες με το Αμ.Σταφ κλπ,να μην συνεχισω τουλαχιστων σε αυτο το θεμα αυτην την συζητηση...
θα μας βαλει χερι ο admin,λειαν συντομως.
Θοδωρη το προτυπο του AKC αναφερει ρητα οτι το Αμ.Σταφ δεν εχει καμια σχεση με το Πιτ και προηλθε απο την Αγγλια(οι ριζες του)!
θα μας τραβηξει το αυτι ο admin και θα εχει και δικιο οποτε εγω δεν συνεχιζω εδω περαιτερω αναλυση...
θα μας τραβηξει το αυτι ο admin και θα εχει και δικιο οποτε εγω δεν συνεχιζω εδω περαιτερω αναλυση...
Θοδωρη το Πιτ Μπουλ δεν εχει καμια σχεση με το Αμ.Σταφ. ....η εν λογο φυλη προηλθε απο την Αγγλια και το Σταφφι,Μπουλ Τεριε κλπ. και οπως αναφερεται ξεκαθαρα στο προτυπο στην μεταβαση απο το Νησι στη Αμερικη αλλαξε το ονομα,και διαφοροποιηθηκε σε μεγεθος η φυλη.
Λαθος!
Σωστο.Απο εκει προηλθε αφου πρωτα ειχε εξελιχθει και ονομαστει ως πιτμπουλ!
Αν δεν βαριεσαι να διαβασεις.
The immediate ancestors of the APBT were Irish and English pit fighting dogs imported to the States in the mid-19th century. Once in the United States, the breed diverged slightly from what was being produced back in England and Ireland. In America, where these dogs were used not only as pit fighters, but also as catch dogs (i.e., for forcibly retrieving stray hogs and cattle) and as guardians of family, the breeders started producing a slightly larger, leggier dog. However, this gain in size and weight was small until very recently. The Old Family Dogs in 19th century Ireland were rarely above 25 lbs., and 15-lb. dogs were not uncommon. In American books on the breed from the early part of this century, it is rare to find a specimen over 50 lbs. (with a few notable exceptions). From 1900 to 1975 or so, there was probably a very small and gradual increment in the average weight of APBTs over the years, without any corresponding loss in performance abilities. But now that the vast majority of APBTs are no longer performance-bred to the traditional pit standard (understandably, since the traditional performance test, the pit contest itself, is now a felony), the American axiom of "Bigger is Better" has taken over in the breeding practices of the many neophyte breeders who joined the bandwagon of the dog's popularity in the 1980s. This has resulted in a ballooning of the average size of APBTs in the last 15 years--a harmful phenomenon for the breed, in our opinion. Another, less visible modification of the breed since the 19th century was the selective intensification of genetically programmed fighting styles (such as front-end specialists, stifle specialists, etc.), as performance breeding became more sophisticated under competitive pressures. In spite of these changes, there has been a remarkable continuity in the breed for more than a century. Photos from a century ago show dogs indistinguishable from the dogs being bred today. Although, as in any performance breed, you will find a certain lateral (synchronic) variability in phenotype across different lines, you will nevertheless find uncanny chronological continuity in these types across decades. There are photos of pit dogs from the 1860s that are phenotypically (and, to judge by contemporary descriptions of pit matches, constitutionally) identical to the APBTs of today.
Throughout the 19th century, these dogs were known by a variety of names. "Pit Terriers", "Pit Bull Terriers", "Half and Half's", "Staffordshire Fighting Dogs", "Old Family Dogs"(the Irish name), "Yankee Terriers"(the Northern name), and "Rebel Terriers"(the Southern name) to name a few. In 1898, a man by the name of Chauncy Bennet formed the United Kennel Club (UKC) for the sole purpose of registering "Pit Bull Terriers" as the American Kennel Club wanted nothing to do with them. Originally, he added the word "American" to the name and dropped "Pit". This didn't please all of the people so later the word "Pit" was added back to the name in parentheses as a compromise. The parentheses were then removed from the name about 15 years ago. All other breeds that are registered with UKC were accepted into the UKC after the APBT. Another registry of APBTs is the American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA) which was started in September, 1909 by Guy McCord, a close friend of John P. Colby. Now under the stewardship of the Greenwood family, the ADBA continues to register only APBTs and is more in tune with the APBT as a breed than the UKC. The ADBA does sponsor conformations shows, but more importantly, it sponsors weight pulling competitions which test a dogs strength, stamina, and heart. It also publishes a quarterly magazine dedicated to the APBT called the American Pit Bull Terrier Gazette (see the "References" section). The authors feel that the ADBA is now the flagship registry of APBT as it is doing more to preserve the original characteristics of the breed.
In 1936, thanks to "Pete the Pup" in the "Lil Rascals" and "Our Gang" who familiarized a wider audience with the APBT, the AKC jumped on the bandwagon and registered the breed as the "Staffordshire Terrier". This name was changed to "American Staffordshire Terrier" (AST) in 1972 to distinguish it from its smaller, "froggier", English cousin the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. In 1936, for all intents and purposes, the AKC, UKC, and ADBA version of the "Pit Bull" were identical since the original AKC stock came from pit fighting dogs, which were UKC and ADBA registered. During this time period, and the years that preceded it, the APBT was a well-liked dog in America. At this time the APBT was considered an ideal family pet. Because of his fun-loving, forgiving temperament, the breed was rightly considered an excellent dog for families with small children. Even if most of them couldn't identify the breed by name, kids of the Lil Rascals generation wanted a companion just like "Pete the Pup". During the First World War, there was an American propaganda poster that represented the rival European nations with their national dogs dressed in military uniforms; and in the center representing the United States was an APBT declaring in a caption below: "I'm neutral, but not afraid of any of them."
Since 1936, due to different breeding goals, the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier have diverged in both phenotype and spirit/temperament, although both, ideally, continue to have in common an easy-going, friendly disposition. [2] Some folks in the fancy feel that after 60 years of breeding for different goals, these two dogs are now entirely different breeds. Other people choose to view them as two different strains of the same breed (working and show). Either way, the gap continues to widen as breeders from both sides of the fence consider it undesirable to interbreed the two. To the untrained eye, ASTs may look more impressive and fearsome, with a larger and more blocky head, with bulging jaw muscles, a wider chest and thicker neck. In general, however, they aren't nearly as "game" or athletic as game-bred APBTs. Because of the standardization of their conformation for show purposes, ASTs tend to look alike, to a much greater degree than APBTs do. APBTs have a much wider phenotypical range, since the primary breeding goal, until fairly recently, has been not to produce a dog with a certain "look" but to produce one capable of winning pit contests, in which the looks of a dog counted for nothing. There are some game-bred APBTs that are practically indistinguishable from typical ASTs, but in general they are leaner, leggier, and lighter on their toes and have more stamina, agility, speed, and explosive power.
πληρως ενημερωτικο το ποστ Θοδωρη και σ'ευχαριστω.
απο ποια πηγη το βρηκες?αν μπορεις να μου πεις.
μεσα εκει λεει την πορεια και εξελιξη του Πιτ Μπουλ...
ο ορος αυτος ειναι ομως γενικος ορος,οπως και ο ορος μπουλντογκ στα πρωιμα χρονια...οποιο σκυλι μαχοταν ταυρο ηταν και μπουλ-ντογκ.
κοιτα ή ειμαστε θυματα του κικεωνα των αντιπαραθεσεων των μεγαλων Κυνολογικων Ομιλων οπου ο ενας αναγνωριζει το Πιτ,ο αλλος το θεωρει ημιαιμο κ.ο.κ ή ο AKC λεει ψεματα οσον αφορα οτι το Αμ.Σταφ ΔΕΝ εχει σχεσει με το Πιτ Μπουλ ετσι οπως το εννουμε σημερα (αλλο σκυλια τυπου Πιτ Μπουλ, να συνεβαλαν στην εξελιξη της φυλης) ή καπου χανουμε καποιον συνδετικο κρικο...
θα το ψαξω κι αλλο και θα δω που μπορω απο μεριας μου,να καταληξω και να συνεισφερω στην συζητηση.
παντως εξακολουθω και εχω τις ενστασεις μου σε πολλα σημεια.
απο ποια πηγη το βρηκες?αν μπορεις να μου πεις.
μεσα εκει λεει την πορεια και εξελιξη του Πιτ Μπουλ...
ο ορος αυτος ειναι ομως γενικος ορος,οπως και ο ορος μπουλντογκ στα πρωιμα χρονια...οποιο σκυλι μαχοταν ταυρο ηταν και μπουλ-ντογκ.
κοιτα ή ειμαστε θυματα του κικεωνα των αντιπαραθεσεων των μεγαλων Κυνολογικων Ομιλων οπου ο ενας αναγνωριζει το Πιτ,ο αλλος το θεωρει ημιαιμο κ.ο.κ ή ο AKC λεει ψεματα οσον αφορα οτι το Αμ.Σταφ ΔΕΝ εχει σχεσει με το Πιτ Μπουλ ετσι οπως το εννουμε σημερα (αλλο σκυλια τυπου Πιτ Μπουλ, να συνεβαλαν στην εξελιξη της φυλης) ή καπου χανουμε καποιον συνδετικο κρικο...
θα το ψαξω κι αλλο και θα δω που μπορω απο μεριας μου,να καταληξω και να συνεισφερω στην συζητηση.
παντως εξακολουθω και εχω τις ενστασεις μου σε πολλα σημεια.
Επισης δες και αυτο απο την Diane Jessup
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Then a small group of pit bull fanciers decided that their "Grand Old Breed" needed full American Kennel Club recognition in order to distance itself from its baiting/fighting heritage. A standard was drawn up and application made to the AKC. [John Colby's dog "Primo" was one of the dogs used to formulate the AKC standard, and Primo's picture illustrated the idea of perfection for many years. Those wanting to know what a real American Staffordshire is supposed to look like should study a picture of Primo.][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The dogs were accepted, but the AKC would not allow the word "pit" in the name, and so the rather dubious designation of Staffordshire "terrier" was chosen. Only the AKC could come up with a name like that! Staffordshire was a place in England noted for its harsh way of life and its fighting animals, however, it could hardly claim to be the place of origin. And placing this bulldog in the terrier group was simply ludicrous. Terriers, named for the Latin "terra" meaning earth, are smallish dogs which "go to ground" after small prey. They are noted for their quick tempers and sharp intelligence. True terriers are "hand spannable", meaning a man can grasp the dog behind its shoulders and have his fingers touch. Dogs larger than this are of doubtful use in ground work. To consider a breed which has always worked above ground, whose original purpose was the gripping of large wild game, then later wayward bulls, and then later still combat with a variety of animals, a "terrier" defies explanation. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The word "American" was added to the name of this very British breed in the 1970's when pit bulls began being imported to the US under the name Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Most registries simply lumped the two dogs together, since they were the same breed. The AKC and UKC did for many years. Yet the two lines of the same breed had changed in some important physical ways. The pit bulls developed in the UK after the turn of the century had been bred strictly for show and pet. Emphasis had been put on a stocky, "bully" look and small size. Top weight for the breed was 35 pounds - in reality the bottom weight for most pit bulls. Because of these differences, the AKC created two breeds where before their had been one (this has been done several times, as with the Norwich and Norfolk terrier to name one example). Because of this division of the same dog, there were now three distinct "breeds" all originating from the good ol' pit bulldog. The American pit bull terrier as registered by the ADBA and UKC, the American Staffordshire as registered by the American Kennel Club (and by the UKC, but as an American pit bull terrier) and the Staffordshire bull terrier as registered by the AKC and now the UKC. For further clarification on these three lines of dog[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Then a small group of pit bull fanciers decided that their "Grand Old Breed" needed full American Kennel Club recognition in order to distance itself from its baiting/fighting heritage. A standard was drawn up and application made to the AKC. [John Colby's dog "Primo" was one of the dogs used to formulate the AKC standard, and Primo's picture illustrated the idea of perfection for many years. Those wanting to know what a real American Staffordshire is supposed to look like should study a picture of Primo.][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The dogs were accepted, but the AKC would not allow the word "pit" in the name, and so the rather dubious designation of Staffordshire "terrier" was chosen. Only the AKC could come up with a name like that! Staffordshire was a place in England noted for its harsh way of life and its fighting animals, however, it could hardly claim to be the place of origin. And placing this bulldog in the terrier group was simply ludicrous. Terriers, named for the Latin "terra" meaning earth, are smallish dogs which "go to ground" after small prey. They are noted for their quick tempers and sharp intelligence. True terriers are "hand spannable", meaning a man can grasp the dog behind its shoulders and have his fingers touch. Dogs larger than this are of doubtful use in ground work. To consider a breed which has always worked above ground, whose original purpose was the gripping of large wild game, then later wayward bulls, and then later still combat with a variety of animals, a "terrier" defies explanation. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The word "American" was added to the name of this very British breed in the 1970's when pit bulls began being imported to the US under the name Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Most registries simply lumped the two dogs together, since they were the same breed. The AKC and UKC did for many years. Yet the two lines of the same breed had changed in some important physical ways. The pit bulls developed in the UK after the turn of the century had been bred strictly for show and pet. Emphasis had been put on a stocky, "bully" look and small size. Top weight for the breed was 35 pounds - in reality the bottom weight for most pit bulls. Because of these differences, the AKC created two breeds where before their had been one (this has been done several times, as with the Norwich and Norfolk terrier to name one example). Because of this division of the same dog, there were now three distinct "breeds" all originating from the good ol' pit bulldog. The American pit bull terrier as registered by the ADBA and UKC, the American Staffordshire as registered by the American Kennel Club (and by the UKC, but as an American pit bull terrier) and the Staffordshire bull terrier as registered by the AKC and now the UKC. For further clarification on these three lines of dog[/FONT]
Αυτο ειναι ενα κειμενο που εχει δημοσιευσει η πρωην γυναικα του Bert Sorrells(διασημου εκτροφεα καθαροαιμων πιτμπουλ στην Αμερικη), και ειναι και η ιδια πλεον εκτροφεας.
ωραια...αρα αυριο με ξεκουραστο μυαλο μπορουμε να παμε ενα βημα παρακατω την συζητηση μας...
με μια υποσημειωση,αν ο admin κρινει οτι ειμαστε Offtopic,να ανοιξουμε ενα νεο θεμα!
με μια υποσημειωση,αν ο admin κρινει οτι ειμαστε Offtopic,να ανοιξουμε ενα νεο θεμα!
αυτο υποστηριζουμε εμεις οτ ειναι η ιδια φυλη αλλα αλλες οργανοσεις την ονομαζουν pitbull αλλες αμstaff οπως ειπε και ο ρικος τα ιδια ακριβως σκυλια ειναι γραμμενα στην ukc σαν pitbull και στην akc σαν αμσταφ.επισης!!
δεν ηθελα να το πω αλλα θα το πω υπαρχει ανθρωπος που εχει ανεβει βαθρο σε εκθεση με πιτ και τα χαρτια απο αμσταφ. τοσο καλα το ξεχωρισαν οι κριτες.
(αξιοπιστες οργανωσεις δεν ειναι οσες δεν αναγνωριζουν το πιτ σαν φυλη)
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